I wrote about her brutal honor killing here. Now it looks like she was also brutally raped before being killed, while her uncle was supervising everything. Her two murderers laughed about her killing.
A Kurdish woman was brutally raped, stamped on and strangled by members of her family and their friends in an “honor killing” carried out at her London home because she had fallen in love with the wrong man.
Banaz Mahmod, 20, was subjected to the 2-1/2 hour ordeal before she was garroted with a bootlace. Her body was stuffed into a suitcase and taken about 100 miles to Birmingham where it was buried in the back garden of a house.
Her badly decomposed body was found in April 2006, three months after the killing.
Last month a jury found her father Mahmod Mahmod, 52, and his brother Ari Mahmod, 51, guilty of murder after a three-month trial. Their associate Mohamad Hama, 30, had earlier admitted killing her.
On Thursday at a pre-sentence hearing for Hama, the Old Bailey heard details about Banaz’s last moments.
Prosecutors said the three convicted men, along with two other suspects who are still at large, had carried out the killing fearing that the authorities were closing in on them.
They believed Banaz had brought shame on the family by leaving her husband, an Iraqi Kurd she had been forced to marry at 17, and falling in love with Rahmat Suleimani, an Iranian Kurd.
Her former unnamed partner had raped her as well as repeatedly beating her, the court heard.
Hama, who prosecutors said had been a ringleader in the murder, was caught by listening devices talking to a friend in prison about the murder.
In the recordings, transcripts of which were relayed to the court, Hama and his friend are hearing laughing as he described how she was killed with Banaz’s uncle “supervising“.
I was kicking and stamping on her neck to get the soul out. I saw her stark naked, only wearing pants or underwear,” Hama is recorded as saying.
Woman raped before honor killing: court | U.S. | Reuters
“There are no words in Entish, Men’s Tongue or Elvish or any other language, which can describe this villany”.
Treebeard, The Two Towers, Lord of the Rings.
I have read few accounts which could be more depraved and horrible than this one.
[…] [In English here]. […]
Religion of peace, eh?
Greetings from Managua.
Kate:
I was totally horrified. At first, I could not believe my eyes. That’s why the comment in the Spanish blog -that I wrote afterwards- was much more brutal. I was really sickened and angry after reading this.
And I ask: if they do this to their own daughters, what do they do to the people who are not their own? 😦
NOTE: Not all Muslims do this. But if we consider that only 10% are supporters of honor killings, the numbers are stricking.
Greetings!! I hope you have time to visit the place, and are not going to work a lot!! 😀
I hope they get all they deserve. It just proves their women are worth nothing. Absolutely disgusting!
And any honour killing (whether 10% or less) is too much.
LV: You’re right, not all Muslims are extremists who would perform such cowardly, twisted acts. I have many Muslim friends from University who are completely and utterly horrified at these types of incidents. I didn’t mean to convey that as a blanket statement, rather that this aspect of the extreme form of the religion does in fact exist, and that it is –if I may be so bold– disgusting. Incognito makes an excellent point: the 10% of the Muslim population which supports this is entirely too much, I would say 10% too much.
And yet, per usual, this sort of thing rarely hits the MSM. I can guarantee that if a Catholic, Baptists, Episcopalian, any Christian, were to commit such an atrocity, the entire world would hear about if for the next decade or so.
Honour murders are very common throughout the ME and Muslim world. It is beyond all comprehension how a father/brother could actually murder his own daughter or sister in order to prove himself as man of honour. Is is sheer unadulterated hatred of women. Possessed is the word to describe this evil against women. Hama, the ringleader says while laughing ” I saw her naked”. Obviously, this cretin is inadequate in more ways than just one. They treat their women like they do their goats controlling and trading on their sexuality. However, this should not be tolerated in the West and these cretins and all that support them should leave and live among their goat herds. As a woman, I find the presence of such utterly useless and puerile women haters a threat to our civilized values.
Where did this 10% of muslims come from?
Perhaps 10% of Christian agree with the under current of child abuse which occurs within the church?
or perhaps 10% of jews agree with what is the modern holocoust of Palestine.
need I go on?
Would somebody like to explain where the 105 has come from?
I do not remember being asked.
No, it is just a guess. Normally they say that there are 10% of the Muslims who agree with Sharia Law being empowered or with terrorist methods. I am not sure what the actual figure is regarding honor killings.
About the child abuse: he, I knew some Muslim would name it. While Catholics in a 99,999…% -not Christian in general, as the abuses has happened within the Catholic Church- are not for that kind of abuse and have protested repeatedly against it, it is normal to see that there are Muslims committing honor killings which do not really arise any kind of response.
Does it include you? No. I know there are a lot of Muslims -specially Muslim women- who are totally opposed to this brutal behaviour. So in the case that the poll would have taken place, and you would not have been asked, then you would be of the ones rejecting it.
And about the “modern holocost (sic) of Palestine” just one thing: if Palestine people are so interested in having peace, just tell them to stop killing normal people in the streets and menacing Israelis with “wiping Israel out of the map” (something that is an open objective of Hamas -who won last elections- and of Al-Fatah -whose supporters have not erased that objective from the chart-. If I would see them being peaceful guys -just look at Hamas’ coup d’état to see how peaceful they are-, I would be the first to ask Israel to stop. But that’s not the case.
Correction on the previous comment,
I ask, would somebody like to explain where the 10% has come from?
I would also like to put to the discussion, that there is no doubt that the murder of B. Mahmoud and honour killings are an absolute disgrace to humanity, they are by and large motivated from cultural not a religious drives.
With regard to Ashley Fine’s most valuable comment, The ‘West’, subjects women to what is nothing more that exploitation and prostitution. A women’s worth is based on how prepared she is to comply with male desires. For example, a women who poses naked in a magazine is seen to be attractive and desirable. Young western ‘civilised’ females grow up with the ambition to use their bodies for money. Glamour modelling, popstars etc. This is nothing short of exploitation and prostitution.
Modesty, intelligence and natural ambition are rapidly being replaced with a dedication to simply copy men.
In the West a woman has the right to sleep with as many men as possible (because this is what society deems as being young and free), wear as little as possible and be as available as possible-
Who benefits from your so called liberation of women?
Men are the sole benficiaries of women’s liberation in the West. Yet a ‘civilisation’ which portrays women as ‘sell by date’ objects, still has the nerve to look at other ways of life and discuss womens rights!
The diference between the West and the Muslim countries is one: freedom. I have never been asked by the priests/religious authority to do anything specially and there is no one who is going after you not to sleep with many or with a lot of men. In fact, if you are Catholic as I am, that is a sin.
The difference is then very clear: in the West it is just a matter of your own conscience. No one is forcing you to be a prostitute or to be a virgin. You are what you want to be. In an important part of Muslim world, it is just because it is imposed on you. And don’t deny that, because we are seeing it on Iran or on Saudi Arabia each day.
Oh, and I am a woman and have never considered me as a “sell by date” object. You are that only if you want that for your own life! -and no one is going to kill you in any case for that reason-.
(I have edited this comment, there was something in the first paragraph that was badly written).
Lady Vorzheva,
I was unhappily, unable to fully comprehend your second paragraph.
However, I would like to ask with respect to your comment
”it is normal to see that there are Muslims committing honor killings which do not really arise any kind of response”
If you have actually read any muslim newspapers? do you attend your local mosque regulary? or do you in fact have any sort of islamic contact whereby you could know that there is not a muslim reponse to the killings?
With respect to Palestine and the modern holocoust.
Jews is Nazi Germany in the years prior to the complete attempt at ethnic cleansing, were forced to wear gold stars of David so they were marked out and known to be Jews.
Arabs in Israel/Palestine, during what is mass ethnic cleansing are forced to have their belongings such as their cars labelled so they are marked out and known to be Arabs.
In response to the open objective of Hamas and Fatah, it is and has been the open and executed ambition of the Israeli government to to divide and terminate the native Palestinians and any supporters (I suggest reading the Seige of Beirut, I cannot remeber the authors name)
In response to your comment about Palestinians killing Israeli’s. In the 2004 Human Right watch report it was as I believe published that in one year, 300 Palestinians were (reported) to have been killed by the Isreali AUTHORITIES
As oppose to the 13 Israeli killed by Palestinians
300 to 13, authorities killing, and desperate people who having watched their loved ones tortured, humiliated, are influenced by extremists…
Freedom?
Do you have a dictionary? look up freedom and paradox then maybe consider Guantanemo Bay.
Why dont you visit/live in some Muslim countries and maybe read a little about Islam before you discuss Islam, freedom and the muslim countries?
But what are you talking about, Samia? Weren’t we talking about Muslim women who are so decent while Western women we are so indecent? What does that have to do with Guantanamo Bay? Hmm, you know first read this.
And well, if all you have to go against Western countries is Western women having freedom to do with our lives what we want and Guantanamo, which is something extraordinary -but would be normal in Saudi Arabia where even you can be killed by converting into Christianism-, really Western countries are a paradise..
About Israel, hmm, Human Rights Watch, so have they spoken about the brutal killing between Palestinians not the past year but just last June? And whatever the number of Palestinians, there are also a lot of Israelis killed in the same period by Palestinian terrorists. You know, I was a supporter of Palestinians till I began reading. I now I am no more. If you want peace, you better begin by having peace yourselves, not asking Christians to pay jizya -something Hamas had in its electoral program, not asking Christian women to wore the veil, etc.
Lastly, you only speak of what you know first hand? Then there would be no theology, because you can’t see God or go with him till you’re dead, moment in which you cannot write. And Prusian philosopher Inmanuel Kant would be of no use as he did not live Köningsburg in his whole life but once, to go to a near-by village.
There is one thing of your comment that has made me laugh though:
do you attend your local mosque regulary?
Oh, and do you attend your local Catholic Church?
Look here, there is no Church in which children abuse has been preached openly as something Jesus-Christ ordered us. But the report of English Channel 4 (if you want I give you the link) basically calls Muslims to kill all non-Muslims, states that women are deficient even if you have more degrees than men and is supporting beating up your daughter if she does not want to wear hijab. And that is in England and they were recorded saying that. Look here, I am worried about Muslim countries, but I am more worried about Europe were fundamentalist Muslims want me to respect them -and their religion, culture, and etc etc- while Spanish expatriates in Muslim countries are not even let to express themselves as Christians or Jews -and I have friends who are there so I know first hand what it’s happening-.
In response to your wonderfully rambling response!
Im ever so sorry but i couldnt make head or tail of it.
From the parts I did manage to piece together,
I was talking about guantanemo because you were discussing Palestine and the freedom in the West.
I really loved the fact the having followed our discussion, you say;
10% of muslims agree with honour killings- but this is only a guess!
palestinians should stop killing ‘normal people’!
and what was the last comment! Oh yes, your reply to my statement that almost 10x the amount of Palestinians are killed by the Israeli authorities
‘And whatever the number of Palestinians, there are also a lot of Israelis killed in the same period by Palestinian terrorists.’ !!!!!!
Hmmm, Christian you say?
Yes, I do visit my Roman Catholic church regulary, I was brought up in Egland and from th age of 7 until I was 16 I went to Roman Catholic and Church of England schools respectively.
Quoting from the TV really isnt good enough if you want to have some solid facts to support your arguements.
I never said that I think 10% of Christian support any sort of child abuse. I was simply attempting to make you realise that stupidity of attaching a GUESSED percentage of a religious followers to a criminal offence- sorry this was obviously a little lost on you
Isn’t good enough to quote how some -not all- Muslims are calling for Jihad in Western countries? Muslims who are calling you deficient just because of being a woman? I do not know what percent they are in UK, but considering that Lord Ahmed -for example, first Muslim in the Lord Chamber- said that he liked one of those mosques in which they were preaching those things, they maybe are more than you realise.
What stupidity is to consider that even if it’s a 10% of support is great enough. Even if there is one family (only in England there are more than 100 killings under investigation for this cause), that supports this is more than enough. There should be no one.
But considering that you consider that every woman in Western countries are prostitutes who are sold -or nearly- to provoke men, I really don’t know what you make of social repression for these conducts.
Look here, I have never considered every Muslim to be a demon. In fact, there are some of them who have actually spoken out against brutality. Others are just too frightened to speak out. But there are also some who are just advocating a hard vision of Islam which encourages them to achieve the Global Caliphate.
Does Israel commit errors? No one has said that Israelis are without fault. But they are not bombing London or kidnapping in Venezuela to obtain their goals, they are defending themselves from the Palestinians. That’s all. The Palestinians do not want a two-state solution as the UN sanctioned in 1948, something that is not normally mentioned. They want to destroy Israel. So Israel has a right to defend itself.
You seem to know how many Palestinians were killed by Israelis, but you don’t know how many Israelis were killed in the same period. That’s also bizarre.
And of course, I was talking about FEMALE freedom, that was the main target of the post. How on earth you can be raped and killed under supervision of your own uncle and everything payed by your own father, just because you wanted to marry someone who is not the one your family wanted. And consider that normal because of your religion.
And no, I have not read any global condemnation of these facts from Muslims, such as Al-Qaradawi -who always is expressing himself so clear about Israel and Palestinians- or Abu Hamza or any other fundamentalist spiritual leader. Except from the Muslims who are considered too progressive.
[Yes, I am Catholic, any problem with that?].
Samia, Samia,
Are you totally unable to stick to one subject without making it a pulpit for your historical revisions?!?
The post above, speaks strictly and only about “honor killings” which, unfortunately, are wayyy too common in the Muslim world and Muslim enclaves in the West. The post above did not refer to any other subject at all!
Instead of taking on the subject and explaining it, offer insights, or telling us what is being done to combat it, you go off in a tangent of totally unrelated topics. How will your bringing up any single one of those tangential matters save the life of the next “honor” killing victim?
Stick to the subject and comment intelligently, if you are capable of it, Samia! As for your contention that so many Western women are “prostitutes” perhaps you agree with Australia’s Sheikh Al-Hilaly that western women are merely “uncovered meat?” If you and your kind are therefore incapable of refraining yourself from raping Western women, as so often happens in Sweden, Holland, Germany, etc… the fault lies not with the West, but with the perverted minds of your kind. And using religion as an excuse is despicable, I have no doubt the Quran does not command Muslims to rape Western women!
There, I just went off on a tangent, purposely, to make a point. My bringing up this matter will unfortunately not stop the hand of a single “honor” killer…
About Palestinians: Overwhelmingly supporting Bin Laden and terrorism:
http://elderofziyon.blogspot.com/2007/07/palestinian-arabs-overwhelmingly.html
[Bin Laden is not fighting for the destruction of Israel as a first goal. His goal is the Global Caliphate, just in case…].
Oh and about the “Western-women-who-are-prostitutes”, just read:
http://elderofziyon.blogspot.com/2007/07/saudi-summer-marriages-another-form-of.html
It seems to me thats everybody is going off the topic! I think samai wanted to kno the reason 4the percentage but wats bein christian and palestine got do wit this subject?
Dear Chaim,
I did indeed go off on a tangent. The topic of honour killings does not unfortunately exsist in a vacuum!
To even begin to comprehend the social and religious reasons behind such murders it is necessary to discuss for example Womens Rights.
(this website actually files this discussion under women’s rights!)
I did begin talking about Palestine etc to bring into the equation that it is completely unjust and ignorant to attach a guessed percentages of a religious believers to a criminal offence.
I found such comments as ‘imagine what they (muslims) do to their own!’ unnecessarily dramatic.
Such comments will not help the plight of other victims of honour killings. Infact they simply increase the feelings among ethinic minorities that they are misunderstood. Closing down dialogue which decreases understanding. How can you claim to care about womens rights and the victims of honour killings whilst insulting their religion? is this not in itself disrespectful?
I did mention that I do not believe that honour killings are motivated by religious drives. The most recent (legal) case of an honour killing happened in the Sikh community.
The view I gave of the women’s ‘liberation in the West’ is not an islamic view. An islamic view would have actually sounded very different. That view is held by many Western Feminists. I did not say that women in the West ARE prostitutes. (I am a western woman!) I said that the so called ‘women’s liberation in the West’ is exploiting women.
( Lady V..- The amount of Palestinians killed in the year were 300 in the SAME year 13 israeli were killed. The significant factor is that the palestinians (incl Christians) were killed by authorities. Also Israel does not bomb London, but it does bomb cities such as Beirut routinely.
Obviously a life in the east is worth less than a life in the west!- just have a think about that.)
This is unfortunatly the last message i can send as Im too busy. This discussion has been very insightful. The highlight was most certainly Chaim’s comment.
To stop honour killings, one has to understand the causes, to understand the causes it is necessary to look at the context. To look at differing views on Women’s Rights and on issues of importance to ethnic minorites. Because without this understanding, it is difficult to understand what the mind set and motivation of the communities where these most brutal murders take place
One further comment!
If you cannot understand or find contradictions in the previous comment try and actually READ what I wrote.
Putting my stupid hat on!-
You may find problem with what I wrote (above) women in the West are being expoilted and treated as prostitutes- in the original sense of the word (using ones body for payment) BECAUSE of the effect of womens liberation in the west. I did not say women in west are prostitutes!!!
Also Chaim, every few seconds in America and Europe a woman is raped…. this is not confined to the East or to particular religions.
Use some of that intelligence of yours!
I hope you all enjoy making your sweeping comments about religions which are not your own. Just remember that this board is dedicated to a Muslim woman. Have some consideration and respect.
As Chaim said the Quran does not allow such acts.
Inglaterra: la hija del imn se convierte al Crist
Y es perseguida, amenazada de muerte por su padre y su hermano y ha tenido que cambiarse de casa 45 veces, desde que se convirti.