Also check these photos comparing women’s situation in Iran before and after the Islamic revolution.
Niqab vs bikini in Lebanon
June 28, 2007 by Nora
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Hi Lady,
This is seemingly extreme on the streets of Lebanon… Perhaps this is a part of what Syria, et al, want to change…
I also wonder, which of these two feel worse in each others presence…
Yes, it is extreme. But it is reality.
About which one of them feels worse, I can tell you what I have felt each time I have seen someone in niqab. I have felt sorry for her. The 1st time I saw one it was July in Spain. You can consider the high temperatures, every one in shorts and with little T-Shirts and all that. And then you see this woman totally trapped in that niqab, who should be sweating enormously and without feeling the breeze when it passes… 😦 I only can feel sorry for her.
I don’t think it is a question of who feels worse. Everyone should have the option of wearing what they wish. If a woman wants to wear a niqap or a bikini – it should be up to her – not up to the government and certainly not up to someone stuck on 8th century religious teachings.
Yes, that’s also right, Mike. 😀 The problem is the freedom to use that garment.
For me, it is also a question of not being very sure that someone can use it being entirely free. To choose that.
There are people who compare them to the nuns. The difference from my point of view, is that the nuns who wear veil, normally live outside society and certainly never use anything similar to niqab.
There is another bad thing about this: health. Women who were those garments do not have the appropriate amount of vitamin D, which can lead them to death.
I wear the Niqab/Burqa. I don’t really feel that hot in it during summer, I am a convert so I’ve been on both sides of the street and really it’s the same feeling as if I wasn’t wearing one in regards to heat/sweat.
As for Vit D , When I was pregnant my doctor said to me it’s very common for women covered or not to have Vit D deficiancy, and anyway we have backyards, we do take them off and we go get sun. We do not live in the garment 24/7.
We do get breeze through the garment, it’s just a piece of cloth tied to the face, so wind comes under to the mouth/nose/cheeks, and the dress (abaya) is like a normal dress so as normal long dresses wind goes up them , down the sleeves. Wind goes under the Hijab (scarf) also, how many times I have to hold my Hijab down when the wind blows.
A lot of us choose to wear it, I wore it before I married and I come from a family who are non practicing Christians.
*going down to a few other comments down the page*
Regards to ‘feeling liberated’ I actually do, because I do not have pesky random men come up and try hit on me, ask my name /number-of course not all men are like this but I had a hard time when I was a Christian and also when I just started Islam and wearing only the Hijab.
As for men, they have their ‘hijab’s too they need to wear a long dress/thobe and a hat , have a beard and have pants that finish above the ankles. And many other things too.
Anyway, I stumbled across this blog.
Well, whatever you say… 🙄
Whatever you say… 🙄
Well, in Jordan, a study has actually discovered that:
87% suffer from lack of Vitamin D for insufficient sun exposure and not enough milk consumption. That is the result of wearing that “practical” and very “comfortable” robe specially in hot weathers. I’m not saying it: a JORDAN study has found that.
Well, who are you? Britney Spears? Or Rihanna? Because I’m sure that if you dress in a normal way (no mini-mini-mini-skirts, no high-high-high-heels, normal make-up, normal haircut, etc), you’re not followed throught the streets by herds of men wanting your phone number. Do be serious, please. 😆
As if that was the same as having a blank blanket over you, with which you’re unable to have a normal vision, that doesn’t let you even run if you lose the bus and that makes you feel like you’re a walking tent. Those guys who dress like that are call here “taliban”, because those items are tipically displayed by guys in Afghanistan.
Anyway, last year I was at the beach, There comes a Muslim family, she was TOTALLY COVERED, not even she got her shoes off. But the husband was on his swimsuit, like any other men in the beach. She didn’t get on the water, but he did. Yeah, I’m sure it’s the same… 🙄
Therein lies the differences. Centuries apart, yet side by side.
No freedom, no vitamin c, no breezes blowing through their hair….sigh.
The funny thing is that as a niqabi women (woman who covers her face) I can honestly say I feel very badly for people who don’t wear it.
We do get a breeze by the way and everyone is sweating we sweat no more then anyone else. And we do get the proper amount of vitamins lol I never heard of one of us dying because of a vitamin deficiency.
I dress exactly like the woman in the photo (one wearing black) and I love it.
I live in the west and I chose it for myself just like anyone else who wears it.
Don’t feel badly for us, we are liberated, happy, respected free women who love our bodies enough to know that they are not to be put on display for anyone to see them. Don’t feel bad for us, let us feel badly for you (and your women).
😆 I do feel bad for you. I normally are when I meet insane people. Human body needs the sun, which is very different to put your body in display for others to see it. And lack of sun produces vitamin defficiency. There are a lot of links covering this subject on Internet. For example, just look at here, here, here, here .
Of course, if you want to have a bad health that is your problem. But, if I were the Government, women wearing niqabs would be excluded from any Public Security Health program about illnesses derived by this lack of sun. It’s your decision, so you carry on with the consequences.
And I am not feeling bad for me, thank GOD (not Allah, thanks 😆 ). I’ve recently come back from the beach, so no, not at all feeling bad 😆 .
“We do get a breeze by the way”
I do not see how is even vaguely possible. Care to offer an explanation to that statement?
“and everyone is sweating we sweat no more then anyone else’
That is utter nonsense. Being covered from head to toe especially in the color black, must be much hotter and lead to more sweating. Marium you say you enjoy wearing a hiqab, ok whatever. But I feel you are being dishonest in order to defend your odd way of life.
Those are my honest feelings. What are yours?
No one knows who you are. Feel free to open up. Do you truly feel liberated, happy, respected and free?
Salam Alikum!
wow, Sister Marium, what a nice and correct answer, many women will feel bad, and I know that its not your intention, but you said the truth, I’m very proud, of you and all the women who have chosen to wear niqab or hijab!
Massalama
Hm. To be honest, I would feel more comfortable wearing a niqaab than a bikini in the middle of a crowded street. It has a lot to do with personal preference, you know.
And yes, I have worn a niqaab before, and no, I don’t have the body type that is “better kept hidden.”
Don’t judge someone if you haven’t been in their shoes.
Oh, and by the way, the material the hijab/niqaab/abaya is made of is very light and airy. I DID wear one out in the summertime once, simply to get an idea of how it feels, and guess what? I was every bit as cool and comfortable as I would have been otherwise. And no, I’m not Muslim. I just like to see things from different points of view.
I would rather wear a niqab than a bikini any day of the week…. mostly b/c i would feel like a sex object with men glaring at me. Women are more than just their looks and what better way to put your money where your mouth is by giving strange men no choice but to listen to you with out judging your appearance. niqab and hijab have many benefits not just the one I mentioned. btw Muslims aren’t stupid I think they know how to make their clothing out of light and airy fabrics.
I feel sorry for the naked girl.
I am a professional writer and university level teacher, and I wear niqab. I ran into this post while searching for something else. Biftu puts it very well, barak Allahu feeha. Don’t be so brainwashed by the current culture of oversexualization that you mistake immodesty for liberation. Liberation is dignity, self-respect, and being known for what you contribute instead of your cup size.
Vitamin D deficiency?? Do you think Muslim women wear their hijab all the time? We have homes, gardens, yards, camping trips, women’s clubs, beaches, etc., where we get plenty of sun.
As for the heat, what is the first thing you are told to do if you are lost in the desert? Keep all your clothes on and cover your head. In fact, wearing hijab and niqab allows your natural cooling system, your sweat, to actually work. Any breeze that comes by whips up your dress and cools your entire body. This effect is not realized if you are dressed in a bikini or shorts.
The people to feel sorry for are the ones who make not their own decisions regarding how they dress, but rather go along with whatever the dominant culture encourages and thus allow themselves to be taken advantage of. “Oh – dressing to please men mean’s I am independent and free? OK, then, sell me some more skimpy designer clothes! I’ll PAY you to objectify me!! That’s how liberated I am.”
You can check out my very liberated blogs at sisteronamission.wordpress.com and prairieheartofdamascus.wordpress.com
You’re assuming I just dress as it’s fashionable or that I am with a bikini in the sun to please men. Both “assumptions” are plainly idiot. One thing is to be free and another one is to think you are free.
Oh, and by the way, you’re speaking about the need to wear niqab in the desert. Can you tell me what deserts there are in Swedish, Italian, Spanish or Mexican cities? I answer you: NONE. You were that only because imams tell you that if you don’t wear it, men are going to be sexually atracted and could rape you. That’s nonsense and it’s extremelly insulting to men who seem to be no more than beasts looking out for sex.
There are several cases of raping by MUSLIM men to non-veiled (note: not only non-Muslim women) women because they weren’t wearing hijab. As some friend told me: the rapes-because-you’re-not-veiled is the only religious argument in which the culprit is not guilty of his own crime and to prevent that the victim is blamed on it for her life and is told she should be totally dressed just in case the culprit commits the crime.
So, you’re liberated because you were niqab (only your eyes are seen by others)… Don’t make me laugh!!! 😉
[…] Is this the real reason for defending the burqa, niqab, etc? […]
What is so liberating about showing all of your body. Is having every Tom Dick and Harry oggling you a healthy Idea of liberation. The fact that some man will go home and masturbate after seeing your naked flesh is supposed to make you feel good.
The bottom line.
We wear niqab because the One who created everything has commanded the women who believe in Him, His Messengers and the Day of Judgement to conceal their beauty.
YES we are liberated. Liberated from the sickness that society has imposed upon women to be skinnier, more tanned et al. Liberated from enmity between women because they are jealous of her flat stomach and other such abusurdities that are rife within the non Muslim circles.
My entire body is for my husband. Liberated from the pressure of having to look good in the newest style for who…
All these people on the street. This woman in a bikini and those like her subject themselves to the pressure of having to look good for strangers. How can you possible please all those people.
We Muslim women have more valuable things to do with our time than worry about foolishness like that. We take care to make sure that our husbands, if we have them, are pleased with our physique and that’s it.
Leaving us time to cultivate our minds and cultivate the best of characters.
Keep your bikinis and your booty shorts. We love our niqabs.
FYI . As for your Death from vitamin D statment. Please post a link to the article showing that a woman wearing niqab has died from this.
Secondly, please show the study which has concluded that women in niqab have shorter lifespans than women who walk around in the streets naked.
He, you’re wrong: I surely do not wear a bikini to please others (in case I would wear it: I prefer swimming-suit), just because it’s healthy to receive the sun in your skin in a moderate fashion.
As for your Death from vitamin D statment. Please post a link to the article showing that a woman wearing niqab has died from this.
I don’t need any article: I am a woman with short vitamin D and calcium (calcium needs vitamin D to get to the bones). Guess what was the first advice my doctor gave me: sunbathe!!
women who walk around in the streets naked. I surely don’t walk around any street naked (without clothes, entirely nude). But I don’t take my bed-clothes on me when I am going out.
Keep your bikinis and your booty shorts. We love our niqabs.
You know what? That would be fabulous if you didn’t want to impose your Islamic veils on people from another religions:
http://infidelsarecool.com/2008/04/25/indonesia-sharia-law-forcing-non-muslims-to-wear-hijab/
So, if in Islamic countries non-Islamic people should wear Islamic veil, why are you allowed to wear it on Western countries? Specially considering it’s just a symbol of the consideration of men as sexual beasts who can’t help but raping unveiled women.
“Deal with my brain, not my body!”
That statement was sent to me in an email and it made me actually think about it. If you look around at society, you see people, male and female, trying to create a look that is somewhat linked to the ‘today’ look. Different countries have different looks. There’s the teens in the world dressing up to look like part of the society. It’s an unconscious process. You don’t even realise you’re being pulled into a hidden law of having to look in an acceptable way.
Along come a woman dressed from head to toe. Society thinks she’s oppressed because they believe to be free is to be able to dress in what they want. If a niqaabi decides to want to dress from head to toe, how can she be oppressed? She chose herself didn’t she? I did.
Society thinks they are free, they dress following the fashion trends, make themselves as beautified as possible. They don’t want to look ugly or different. The niqaabi wishes to look plain, so her views are taken however she looks. She wishes to preserve her beauty only for the one it is meant for, her husband. That way, she will hopefully not become attracted or be attractive.
She feels free from the nonsense of having to look good. Feels free from people looking and judging from appearances. Now they can either see her as a stranger and get to know her ideas rather than her looks, or feel sorry for her.. But she, ahhh, she feels free and peaceful, safe from the indignity of being seen as an object, someone with self-respect. Someone modest.
If you look around at society, you see people, male and female, trying to create a look that is somewhat linked to the ‘today’ look.
That is what you think about it. I just don’t dress for the “today” look, I wear what I like. I really don’t like fashion.
Someone modest.
So to be modest, do you really want me to believe that you have to be dressed with a black sheet all over you? Come on, that’s not true!! 😆
She wishes to preserve her beauty only for the one it is meant for, her husband.
If God would have made us to be covered, he would have designed us to be covered. Niqab and other Islamic robes were designed to be worn in the desert, where very high temperatures by day, very low temperatures by night and above all, desert storms, made it necessary. That about “only be seen by the husband” is nonsense, because then, why is the husband not covered? His beauty was not designed to be seen only by his wife/s???
That way, she will hopefully not become attracted or be attractive.
So then, the husband can attract other women?? He is not covered… but they can see him 😛
Man.. You crushed me. Well, what I wrote anyway.
I knew the moment I clicked submit that it wasn’t a good literature, but hey, I tried. I’m not good at these things.
I guess, to wholly understand niqaab, you have to climb that ladder of faith. Yes, it’s not a good answer to this and it’s a bit of an annoying thing to say, I know. I heard it many times before I actually understood it. It’s just what each individual experiences. I don’t think I can ever tell someone why I wear niqaab but if you hung around a true niqaabi for a while, you’d start understanding. Obviously, if you get influenced easily then that wouldn’t be the real answer, but otherwise, overtime, you’d understand.
Understanding another person’s feelings is never easy..
As to your comments crushing mine, the answers are all answered in Islam, but it would be very time consuming for me to write up since I’m not very good at it.
I’d just like to add, why do you think me, and other fellow niqaabi’s, would choose to wear something like this? No, we’re not oppressed, and no, we have no psychological problems. Doesn’t that give you a little inkling that we might have a real motive?
One thing is what you say, and another what you feel. Besides, Islamic people can use taqqiya to convince us infidels about how good Islam is. So, yes, fanatism and brainwashing (instead of blaming men who can control their own lust, they convince you, you’re more respectful IF you’re covered) or lying to Infidels are good motives.
I don’t think you consider that you’re actually doing anything wrong, because your prophet actually considers that as a good thing.
See? You don’t need to think. Others have made that for you, soemthing which is pitiful to say the least.
“My entire body is for my husband. Liberated from the pressure of having to look good in the newest style for who…”
“We take care to make sure that our husbands, if we have them, are pleased with our physique and that’s it”
FOOL! YOU’RE NOT LIBERATED BECAUSE YOU BELONG TO YOUR HUSBAND, YOU JUST ADMITTED IT!
“As to your comments crushing mine, the answers are all answered in Islam, but it would be very time consuming for me to write up since I’m not very good at it”
YEAH, I BET YOU HAVE NEVER READ EL PUTO CORAN, HERE I HELP YOU:
Qur’an- 4:34 “MEN HAVE AUTHORITY OVER WOMEN BECAUSE ALLAH HAS MADE THE ONE SUPERIOR TO THE OTHER, and because they spend their wealth to maintain them. Good women are obedient
Qur’an- 4:34 “As for those from whom you fear disobedience, admonish them and send them to their beds apart, AND BEAT THEM.
Qur’an 4:11, 176- “A MAN SHALL INHERIT TWICE AS MUCH AS A FEMALE”
MUSLIM WOMEN RANK SO LOW THAT IN ORDER TO DIVORCE THEM THE HUSBAND JUST HAVE TO UTTER THE WORDS TALAQ-TALAQ-TALAQ THEY CAN DO THAT EVEN BY EMAIL AND SMS!
“If a niqaabi decides to want to dress from head to toe, how can she be oppressed? She chose herself didn’t she? I did.”
YES, MUSLIM WOMEN CAN CHOOSE WHETHER TO BE MURDERED BY THEIR FAMILIES FOR DISHONORING THEM OR WEARING A NINJA SUIT OR A TENT.
“YES we are liberated. Liberated from the sickness that society has imposed upon women to be skinnier, more tanned et al. Liberated from enmity between women because they are jealous of her flat stomach and other such abusurdities that are rife within the non Muslim circles.”
YEAH YOU’RE FREE TO BE A FAT UGLY SWEATY STINKY CNUT, NOW GO BACK TO YOUR ISLAMIC CESSPOOL OF A COUNTRY!
http://haqaonline.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=8664
Hi Nora! First of all I wish that you get well soon and have strong bones with enough vitamin D and calcium etc…
You see , in your condition u might need to sunbathe, but there are also a lot of people out there who get sunburns due to UV rays and skin cancer and what not and we all have all learnt from the big hype around sunscreens that exposure to sunlight causes ageing of skin…and they wouldnt agree to your idea of “sunbathing”. Also while we do need a bit of sunlight for vitamin D and all that , it just doesnt become a reason to expose our bodies to everyone. For normal people an initial exposure to sunlight of 10 to15 minutes allows you adequate time for Vitamin D synthesis and should be followed by application of a sunscreen with an SPF of at least 15 to protect the skin. Ten to fifteen minutes of sun exposure at least two times per week to the face, arms, hands without sunscreen is usually sufficient to provide adequate vitamin D. If you have limited sun exposure then you can include good sources of vitamin D in your food.
These days unfortunately people are trying to ape the west in what they wear etc. …its spreading like a bad disease. But if you go back a little in time you will see that people of most cultures besides Islamic culture wore clothes that covered their bodies completely. Just google out for the dresses of medieval europe or Japan or China or India …u will also see that most of these dresses did not reveal the woman’s figure and skin and they also had a head covering.And ofcourse these civilizations did not die out because of less exposure to sunlight causing vitamin D deficiency . People who did expose or wore little clothes in those times were some tribes from jungles or prostitutes or insane people or maybe the destitute.
I appreciate your concern for humanity being deprived of vitamin D. But relax, that is not one of the biggest threats to human existence right now. I suggest you can fight for causes like drugs abuse, illegal , pre-marital and extra marital sex and rapes which causes HIV virus to spread , skin cancers due to sun rays exposure etc etc etc…u have a long list to choose from …
Memo to you: we are not living in medieval times anymore. So evolve.
No, but Islamic fundamentalism is. And that’s the main subject of my blogging.
Well, we’ve heard it so many times before. Niqab or the hijab are chosen by the women to be worn and they are not forced on them. But in many islamic countries like Saudi Arabia, Iran etc it is illegal not to wear it.
Another point is “brainwashing”. Women who wear the hijab or the niqab always say one thing which seems to be in common: “I feel RESPECTED when i’m wearing it, people respect me much more than before when i wasn’t”. So does it really mean that it’s a matter of personal choice or that they really have no other choice but to wear it in order to have a more normal life, which suits best to islamic religious values?
And if Allah really wants those women to be covered so that men don’t get overexcited why doesn’t he choose a shorter way, convincing men that that is a sin, ISN’T he/she/it a powerful supernatural creature who/which can change things at one snap of the fingers?
These are the things that women must ask themselves before wearing one, but the trouble is that religion doesn’t give one too much time to think of or question such crucial matters. Those poor women who wear the hijab or the niqab are nothing else but the victims of religious ignorance and brainwashing.
That’s totally the point. A friend of mine says that Islam is the only religion which instead of pointing the blame of sexual sins in men with a high libido, tells women to be covered so they are not aroused and they feel respected…
If you don’t want to ask you personally why do you believe that would be correct. I feel that this is so grievous on women that they just justify everything on “Islam says it”, but not in a real need of them to wear it. And then there is the actual difference between men and women: religion or morals can’t be sexually distinctive. Things are good or bad, not depending which sex the individual belongs to. They are good or bad because they are intrinsically good or bad. And that’s something that this kind of “Islamic dress law”, does not really considers.
Nora, where you say
“See? You don’t need to think. Others have made that for you, soemthing which is pitiful to say the least.”
Well, do you really think a religion is worthwhile if it doesn’t answer your situations in life?!
Today, looking around at billboards, magazines, adverts, TV and listening to songs.. what is the underlying message? Sex. Seriously. (Got this from a radio show) Have you realised most pics have women? Wonder why..
There’s some people out there who are concerned that kids are growing up with this need to look good, to have those clothes, to follow that fashion. Just to be modern. But life’s not about doing what everyone else is doing. Kids learn to look at girls/guys in that way at such a young age. I definitely do not want kids to have their thinking twisted when they’re supposed to be at an age of innocence.
Have you realised that there used to be a time where there was a hallaballoo when a woman’s ankle showed and now there’s problems with people covering up? What the heck! You say that the woman who had to cover their legs (I think Victorian times..?) had it unfair. Now there’s no such thing, people can literally go out practically naked and nothing happens. You call that rights, fine. Those of us who want to carry on covering have our rights, we understand them, and frankly, we’d rather not have people telling us we don’t know what we’re doing. Doh, we obviously do.. otherwise we wouldn’t do it!
You can simply not understand what it means to follow a religion until you do. I don’t mean saying I’m Christian and doing nothing else. I mean totally devote yourself. I’m assuming you don’t anyway.. Anyhow, it’s a simple way of life, and to be honest, there would be less horrors in the world if everyone was sincere. Sadly, this isn’t the case. So really, if you want to diss a religion, you should think again, because it’s the people, not the religion.
Concerning Islam, the Prophet pbuh, is one of a kind. If you found out exactly what he did in his lifetime, all the little things.. I’m sure you wouldn’t think as you do now. And that’s not just my opinion, there’s many non-Muslims who have said just that and I’m generalising it to you, because I felt the same when I began to seriously study Islam.
There may be some things you don’t understand but think of whilst you were growing up; how some things made more sense to you later, how you understood the reasoning. All that stuff. It’s not like I understood why some Muslims wear niqaab. It grows on you. I may not be able to express myself but really, it’s to do with me and my Sisters and our freedom of choice.
Yes, but to the great questions in life (who we are, where do we come from, what’s life’s meaning?), not about how I should get dressed. Religion is about the relationship we have with our Creator and, being such, has not to solve ALL things you have to confront in your daily life. It just has to give you, responsible and free human being, tools to solve those problems. But it’s not primarily targeted at resolving them: if you’re free (and free will is inherent to Christianity as a religion based in love: love only can be given freely), you’re responsible of your doings.
Of course, there are no problems with sex on Muslim world. Sex harrassing, rapes, honor killings… of course, no problems. And yet, people go veiled in a high proportion and those who go veiled ALSO suffer those problems.
What’s more: Islamic countries rank among first places in the world on “sex” searches on the Internet. The more taboo is sex, the worst treatment get women. And by the way: men are NOT sex beasts going to rape you if they see your ankle. Sexual desire can be controlled from the mind: that’s why we are rational human beings.
Your kids are not going to have anything twisted IF they are educated with moral values and are sure to have those values. The problem comes when those values are imposed on them: freedom is a very important thing to reach in life. And if they perceive they are treated as toys with no freedom to decide what they want to be, they surely be “twisted”. But I certainly prefer someone to be freely twisted than someone which is good because he/she is obliged to, because the latter will be bad as soon as he/she can, being no more than a hypocrite the rest of the time. The first one can be relied on, as you know perfectly well where he/she stands. The second one can’t be: he/she will just follow what others do, if it’s perceived as “socially demanding“.
Well, you’re assuming wrong. I’m Catholic practicant and I really pratice all the tenets all my religion, including sexual ones. I’m very strict with myself, but that doesn’t mean that I can’t have a sunbathe when summer comes or that I can’t have a beautiful dress. No, that means that you must be pure at heart, not thinking wrongly of others, really understanding them, being at peace with your soul, helping others, praying, being thankful to God, do what’s your duty is, etc.
It’s not being fully covered that makes you respect yourselves, it’s just that men don’t look at you. But in that case, it’s they who are to blame for looking at you sinfully, not you. That’s one of the most shameful things of Islam, that the blame is not placed on the one who is committing a sin but on someone who is just not “veiled”.
Yeah, I have read the Quran and for example regarding women it says:
Inheritance in Islam: half the part of men’s.
Mistreatment of wifes allowed.
Cliteridectomy: don’t cut severly (but cut it somehow).
Woman’s deficience of Intelligence: that’s the best of all. If you’re a woman, you’re more idiot than men… the prophet says it!
Women’s courses are a “hurt and a pollution”. Of course, men don’t have anything that can be considered a “pollution”… And by the way, those “courses” are natural, so how can we be blamed for something God (in your case, Allah) gave us? That’s illogical.
Debate on the legality of Muta’a (temporary marriage, for the sake of maintaining sexual relations with a woman): hmm… legalising prositution just because the prophet told you so.
And there is also the killing of the Banu Quraiza tribe and his “marriage” with the daughter of the tribe, the marriage to 9-year-old Aisha…
No, I don’t think I’m changing my mind over to your side.
No, you’re not convincing me at all… Your freedom of choice… yeah, right: people who committ suicide also have freedom of choice, but that’s not at all good for them.
There are two points though that are much more important for me:
a) burqa can be used to hire explosives or to steal as has already happened. People here were forbidden to use large coats to avoid that problem precisely. But now some people say a prophet from 7th century told them to use it (something which Islamic jurisprudence is not pacific I must say) and all those laws of THIS land have to be avoided, even if that law applies to all people in this land. Equality is an important value and burqa is precisely undermining it, fundamenting a new system in which we are only applied the law our religion says it applies. That’s going back to the Middle Ages!!!
b) I don’t see really that “freedom of choice” in Islamic countries. I’m not even a Muslim woman but if I go there I can’t dress as I want to, so I’m not going to visit them (there are photos available and I prefer to go to places where I can be myself) . Here we have lots of defects BUT it’s our way of life. You don’t like it? The frontier is just there: you can go to Iran and Saudi Arabia where these garments really are “fashionable”.
Thumbs up Nora! I love every words you posted. Clear in every subject. These women claimed to cover themself for their husband. I have a neighbour that the girl only 13 or 14 going to school have to cover herself too. Who is she cover for? can someone explain to me?
Hello, Cnvn. Thanks for your kind words. Whatever the reasons they always express about their “free will” to wear that, I just can’t understand them.
In Lérida (a Spanish town located in Catalonia), the imam kicks the girls who are 6 or 7 years old because they are not covered by hijab or because they wear T-shirts that let their shoulders nude. Their parents protested but he told them that they were provoking the men. In that case, those men are paedophiles, so the danger are those men, not the little girls.
It’s disgusting (and sad, very sad), but hey, look at them, they are actually defending that kind of practice… 😦
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Hmm Nora what you say about my Beloved Propher (peace be upon him) is wrongly put. Firstly, half of it is wrong, don’t know what your sources are.. and secondly, the rest is not in context.
Freedom of choice is funny if you ask me, I want to cover myself but it’s not under the title freedom.. I’m not mentally unstable, I have a high IQ thank you very much, and I need to underline the point, I WAS NEVER EVER told or hit etc to wear a niqaab. Yet I wanted to do it. Why? The same reason people want to get Gucci or whatever, because they want to copy something they LIKE.
And no, we do not cover for men, we do not believe we have to cover because men will get sins, we do it for ourselves and for our Lord.
Please don’t bring out stories about Imaams and such forcing girls to cover, that is not what Muslims should be doing at any rate and it is not right to use examples like that. There’s always some new news about some priest somewhere doing just what you mentioned..but it would be childish of me to use that to counter-argue.. Please use proper arguments =)
You know, it’s been a looooong time that we’ve been debating! I’m thinking we’re going to have to agree to disagree!