This poll appeared on Spanish newspaper La Vanguardia some days ago. it was made by Maryland University in Morocco, Pakistan, Indonesia and Egypt.
Summing up the data:
- Only 35% of the Moroccans say they are sure that the culprits of the Sept 11 terrorist attacks belong to Al-Qaeda. In general, 21% rejected to answer, 31% says he is not sure, 38% considers they are sure and 10% very sure.
- The majority of Muslims opposed to terrorist attacks against civilians perpetrated by Al-Qaeda, but they support some attitudes of the Bin Laden’s net against USA, and they also share its final goals. When asked if Al Qaeda fights for the dignity of the Muslims, 75% of Moroccans answers affirmatively.
- In Morocco, the 67% of the people interviewed things that establishing a Global Caliphate is a target of the terrorist organization and 71% is also supporting that objective.
- 76% of the polled subjects also support the strict application of Sharia Law in theis countries.
- Asked if the terrorist attacks are justified, Moroccans answer in 34% that they are never justified, 19% not often justified, 19% excuses them often and 16% justifies them usually.
- For 84% of Moroccans, the terrorism is a “little problem” and only 13% considers it as a subject of great dimensions.
Just the same day, ex-US ambassador in UN, John Bolton was interviewed by right-wing newspaper La Razón: an excerpt:
-Spain has suffered two terrorist attacks on Lebanon and Yemen. Is Spain and Al-Qaeda objective or they just attack where they can?
-I really believe they are targeting Westerners, and that is why there should be much more cooperation between Europe and US. A lot of people in Europe and some people in the US think that only US is a terrorists’ target. Or only United Kingdom because of its pro-Israeli policy or in Iraq. This is a great error because Al-Qaeda’s long-term objective is to finish West off. Every part of the world is vulnerable.
-Ben Laden and its terrorist organization have reclaimed a lot of times the liberation of Al-Andalus. Should Spanish Government take this threat seriously?
-Yes, Ben Laden and many other radical Islamists really believe that they should revert the course of history in Spain, in the east and center of Europe and everywhere. This is not a hypothetical position. They also are looking very close to the immigration through the north of Africa as a part of their reconquest plan.
-So the idea of restoring the caliphate is a part of their working plan.
-They are very serious about this, because for them the caliphate is an order which comes directly from Mohammed. In their vision of the world there is no diference between the political and religious life. Everything is the same. The caliphate includes both the political and religious legitimation which emanates from the prophet.
By the way, the Spanish wounded tourist in Yemen’s attack, has died this last night. She had been declared as “brain dead” some days ago and the doctors have openly spoken against her being transferred to Spain as her wounds were so grave. With María Asunción Vitorica’s death, the total toll of Spanish dead in Yemen is eight.
Check out this posting I did a year and a half ago. Basically the same info, but without the stats.
Index to a few postings in which I discussed the topic of the caliphate.
By the way, this comment and the previous contain links to my original web site. Comments are still open there–with comment moderation.
There were Spanairds involved in providing explosives to the Madrid bombers. See http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/europe/02/14/spain.trial/index.html?eref=rss_world
The Spanish governmet arrested a large number of Muslims to make it look like it was some AL Qaeda plot. They have not really not proven that all those arrested were involved in the Bombing.
Spain is a little bit more honest than the United States in that it has arrested the Spanairds involved in the bombing, here in the United States the government has not made a serious effort to seriously investigate who was behind 9/11. There is a growing grassroots movement in the U.S. and around the world of people (many non-Muslim) questioning the official 9/11 investigation.
Regarding John Bolton whom you quote, did you know that he said he was damn proud of the United States doing nothing about the mass destruction and mass deaths that Israel caused when it invaded Lebanon last year? See http://jimbovard.com/blog/2007/03/22/damned-proud-of-dead-lebanese-women-children/
Thanks, AOW for the tip. When I write the post for IBA and MNM I will include it. It is really good!
randalljones:
Spain a little more honest? Well, certainly not the Government who has even promoted to policemen who were involved in falsification of proofs.
Look here, there are several facts which makes the March 11th bombings unique:
- no suicide terrorists, which there were both in Sept 11 and in July 7th to name the principal attacks on Western world.
- the people supposedly involved were not very bright and educated people. Something which differs from Sept 11 but not from July 7th.
But what realy differs is that both in Sept 11 and in July 7th they already know what were the explosives.
In Spain we know what they weren’t, but there are doubts about what was the real explosive. IF the explosive was Tytadine, then the probability of ETA supplying it is great, as it is the normal explosive used by Basque terrorists and the Spanish people involved would be only the terrorists, not this people on trial. IF the explosive was Goma 2 Eco, then this people could be responsible.
What is the problem?
1.the trains were cleaned before being able to recover all the proofs which were necessary. Some people are beginning to ask for the dead to be exhumed to see if there are more proofs.
2.The chief of Scientific police -one of the promoted guys after the proofs’ falsification- said that the proofs were not kept appropriately. Someone who has been in Scientific police for more than 30 years ought to know how to keep the proofs safe and sound till the trial.
And besides, the reason why I have only written once about it, is that I really do not understand very well what is going on. MSM are divided, and some of them, say something, others say just the opposite.
Then there is the Government, who says everything is very clear, while it is not for most of the people.
Supporters of conspiracy find more proofs in these statements:
Josu Ternera (ETA terrorist) said in Feb 2004, if I am not mistaken in the timing: “These Spanish people are going to know who we are”.
De Juana (another ETA terrorist): “We must caught Spain in two fronts: the North and the South”- pointing to an alliance between the ETA and Al-Qaeda-Moroccan terrorists.
About the thing you quote of J Bolton: There are two points to make:
-All wars have casualties -something that nowadays all people seem to forget-.
-Hizbollah began the war by kidnapping two Israeli soldiers and killing two others, and the South of Lebanon has given an important support to Hizbollah.
So, Israel had the right to enter there. It is curious that normally people attacking Israel (or US or NATO troops) do not take into account that a lot of terrorists just position themselves after human shields. So what a soldier should do then? Just wait for him to be killed by the terrorist?
Before answering, just take into account that soldiers are not martyrs. They are simply people who must defend a position. If that position is attacked they should defend them, whatever the cost.
And, what I do not understand is then, if UN and all those busybodies are so worried by South Lebanese people, why on earth UNIFIL has not been appointed a reasonable target. Because the one that they have now -the disarmament of Hizbollah- is impossible at all as they have not been given the means to fight to achieve it.
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Taking a look at what’s going on from my blogroll ….
The Spaniards arrested were not members of ETA. There are nine Spaniards which are on trial; which is not a small number. I have seen on some websites that some of the terror suspects were police informants and/or under surveillance by the police.
By the way there are people who question the official 7/7 London bombings investigation. See http://www.julyseventh.co.uk
Regarding Israel, the conflict was started by Zionists who drove out the Palestinians from their land in the 1940s. Hezbollah came about as a result of Israel occupying Lebanon in 1982.
You say the kidnapping of two soldiers justifies killing over a thousand people, and destroying billions of dollars of infrastructure and homes? This is terrorism.
Don’t lecture me, Randall Jones, about the March 11th process. Being Spanish and living in Spain I know more about it than you, just because there are daily updates on Spanish MSM.
The people arrested were not from ETA -something which I have not said- but have had lots of links with ETA in the past, being their suppliers for explosives. Some Islamists from the March 11th bombings had phone numbers of several ETA terrorists in their phone listings.
And, yes, I know that there are people questioning everything imaginable, but while Bin Laden has insisted repeatedly that both Sept 11th and July 7th were Al-Qaeda made, there are very few discourses by the same terrorist about March 11th.
Does this mean that I believe ETA responsible -just in case-? I do not believe them to be the main responsible. I really believe they supplied information and know-how. Being terrorists for more than 40 years, they are an inestimable force for foreign -and not very bright in other respects- terrorists.
Regarding Hezbollah you’re mixing two things. Hizbollah is about Lebanon, they were born as the Syrian armed terrorist thugs to control Lebanon, converting the country once known as the Mediterranean Switzerland because of its prosperity, in what is now, a total chaos. The conflict with Israel comes after.
Being Spanish, anyone who considers a humanitarian/Human Rights/… cause on terrorism, is just despicable and not honorable. Because that means they are killing not regular forces in battle, but citizens who are walking through streets, going to work, to have a coffee or just jogging.
And well, being a supporter of Israeli state, that thing about the Zionist, just makes me laugh. UN Resolutions only if they agree with us, hein?
Of course, the kidnapping of two soldiers is an act of war. It’s just as the WWI began by the murder of Austro-Hungarian Prince Franz Ferdinand. If Israel does not defend its citizens, no one is going to defend them.
Oh, and by the way, Hizbollah wants more: reliable sources say they want to attack Israel this same summer.
And besides, the important thing of this poll -apart from the Sept 11th bombings- is that they are supporting Bin Laden in his quest to create an Islamic Caliphate. I don’t know if you consider what this would mean, but I do: burqas/niqabs for women, stoning for adulterers, death penalty for homosexuals, crucifixion for Muslim converts to Christianity and death for the Muslim converts to other religions, women’s rights totally diminished -no job, no education, no freedom-, female genital mutilation for all, ….
Do you really want that? I really don’t. Mankind has suffered enough to have this kind of thugs in control of the world.
Randall,
Yes, some question exactly what brought down the WTC. But consider all the fuel on those airliners, the way the airliners turned to inflict the most damage to the most numbers of floors, the nose of at least one of the airplanes piercing the tower all the way through to the other side, the many flammables inside both towers, and the weight factor as the upper floors collapsed. In fact, both buildings rumbled from the jolts of the intial impact–all those g-forces.
If you’ve ever played “house of cards,” you know that a critical point is reached for an entire structure to collapse, event though the structure appears well shored-up.
I wasn’t in NYC on 9/11, but I was in D.C. The Pentagon stood only because of the special reinforcement of such a military building. Again, the airliner was fully fueled, having just taken off from Dulles Airport.
People are looking for conspiracy theories so as not to have to face the horrible truth of what happened on 9/11: followers of a particular, religiously-fueled ideology will stop at nothing to destroy the West. And the West is vulnerable with regard to so many infrastructures. It’s impossible to ever feel completely safe again.
Pauvres marocains, c pas terminé
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By ignoring, twisting or inventing facts, one can make up a case for anything imaginable under the sun.
GettinTruth writes: You say kidnapping a soldier is an act of war. Israel has done worse to Palestinians and Lebanese but they have not inflicted as much damage on the Israelis as the Israelis have done onto them.
How quasi brilliantly he ignores the fact of the almost 7,000 rockets shot by Hizbullah into Israel, since 2000., with little or no damage luckily. How conveniently he forgets the fact that last summer’s kidnapping was not the first of its kind but that three Israeli soldiers were already kidnapped within months of Israel’s unilateral withdrawal from Lebanon and Israel has heard nothing about them since. Last summer’s kidnappings of two Israeli soldiers was merely the last straw that broke the back of Israel’s patience at Hizbullah’s repeated acts of war and provocations . But let’s not confuse GettingTruth with the truth…
The fact that the UN noted that Hizbullah purposely staged their attacks on Israel from heavily populated centers, the fact that often the photos were faked is a rather inconvenient truth, but… let’s not confuse GettingTruth with the truth…
Israel has done worse to Palestinians and Lebanese but they have not inflicted as much damage on the Israelis as the Israelis have done onto them.
It was the Palestinians who have perpetrated countless acts of terror against innocent civilians, from suicide bombings at Jerusalem’s Machne Yehuda Market, The Dolphin Disco where most of the victims were Russian teenage immigrants, Sbarro Pizzeria in Jerusalem where families were enjoying an evening out (among the dead were a leading doctor and his daughter on the eve prior to her wedding), an Arab owned restaurant full of Jews and Arabs, a hotel full of celebrants at a Passover night dinner, etc., etc., etc. Israel NEVER took action against the Palestinians EXCEPT as retaliation!
The overwhelming majority of Israelis favors a 2 State solution, Hamas makes no secret of its intentions to eradicate Israel off the map, the PA – under Fatah leadership – has not yet found the time in 14 years, since it undertook to do so, to erase the clauses referring to the eventual destruction of Israel, from its Charter.
In 1948, the UN voted for 2 states. Yes, dear friends, the Palestinians could have had their very own country… but… Instead the fledgling Zionist Entity, dem Jooz, were attacked within hours of becoming an independent country by 8 Arab armies that could not accept a Jewish country in their midst.
On the weeks prior to the invasion Arab radio stations urged their brethren to evacuate the area, so as not to be in the way of those who would literally kill every Jew. (Yes, dear friends, the recordings still exist!). Ben Gurion, Israel’s leader pleaded, in perfect Arabic, for the Arab population to “stay and build a nation we can all be proud off, shoulder to shoulder with the Jews.” ((Yes, dear friends, the recordings still exist!).
Anywhere from 100000 to 300000 chose to leave, unfortunately for them the 8 Arab armies did not succeed in destroying the new country. They, the fleeing “refugees” were unable to take advantage of their brothers’ promises that not only would they return home within days but they would also receive the properties that had belonged to the massacred Jooz.
What happened to these refugees? Instead of being allowed to integrate into the regular societies, they were kept as cattle in cramped camps. Why?
So their hatred for dem Jooz could be fostered, so they could be used as propaganda.
In very sharp contrast, 800,000 Jooz who escaped for their lives from Arab lands where they had lived since biblical days, were fully integrated in Israel, a tiny land, with limited resources…
Have we already conveniently forgotten, after a mere few weeks, how Hamas treated senior members of Fatah, taking their clothes off and killing them in front of their families, or throwing them off buildings, or even killing their children?!? Even the Arab press lost its patience with the Palestinian cause.
So why, if Lady Vorzheva supports Israel does she not support the Basque movement? It isn’t Spain who commits terror against the Basques! It is the Basques who are totally incapable or unwilling to negotiate in a civilized manner, who are committing terror against Spanish civilians. Such barbaric acts prove, just like in the case of the Palestinians, that they are incapable or unwilling to conduct civil argument or of governing themselves. Only someone who chooses to totally ignore the truth would find a moral equivalent, but… let’s not confuse GettingTruth with the truth…
The fact remains that the majority of the Muslims in the the four countries in question (Morocco, Pakistan , Indonesia, Egypt) support the aims of Al-Qaida… Apparently to GettingTruth the fact that such attitude constitutes a serious threat to the West is of little or no importance. GettingTruth does not ask what can be done, as quite a few courageous Muslim reformers already have, to change such attitudes and to bring the Muslim countries into the brotherhood of civilized nations of the 21st century. He instead tries hard to obfuscate the issue by bringing all types of extraneous lies, innuendoes and distortions.
It is sadly obvious, that GettingTruth is not in least bit interested in getting the truth!
Chaim,
I have not said that Palestinians are without fault. It was not necessary for you to write all you have written because I already know about it; it is repeated in the mainstream media all of the time. You have left out the negative side of the Israelis. I will not start putting up links were you can find this information because I suspect you already know about them. Anyway I do not want to get too off topic. My main point is that the mainstream media needs to talk with Muslims, not at Muslims. They should report on the moderate Muslims as much as they report on the extremists. There needs to be honest discussions about the foreign policy of certain countries that have collaborated with Muslim extremists and dictators.
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